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Why a Christmas bulb? Because imprisoned members of the underground church in China, (living on rations of perhaps 500 calories per day), are forced to assemble thousands of bulbs per day without tools, crimping them with their teeth. After a few hours of their minimum 16-20 hour day (kneeling in a 20x20 cell with 40 others),their fingers are bloodied and if they don't make their quota (AND keep up the quality), they are beaten mercilessly.

The author of the Book of Hebrews calls us to remember our brothers and sisters in Christ as though we were right there with them.

As we come into the season when we celebrate the birth of our Savior, let this be a reminder to ask for the Lord's protection for these who "let their light shine" in the darkness of a Chinese prison.

Tim

PS: For the full story, go to http://www.thelightsofchristmas.org. I think http://www.persecution.com and http://www.persecution.org has info on this as well.

NOTE: for those who have difficulty accepting these links because they are *not secular*, please check the following links.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/poisoning-the-well.html
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17 years ago

Updated description.

Added second (darker and added detail to bulb glass) paper and added links to logical fallacy pages.

Added third paper with black background.

kaha

17 years ago

um... I meant references about the treatment of these people in China.

I note that he posted two links, but both are fundie sites. Nothing from Amnesty International or any international human welfare organization.

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Chris308

17 years ago

I don't care about those damn chinks or about those damn towel heads over in Iraq. I don't care about those being persecuted in North Korea. I don't care about those with Aids in Africa. Wait a miniute, I'm starting to sound as compasionate and caring as the enlightened liberals. :-(

It is truly sad when a man drawing attention to those being persecuted is himself attacked by so called enlightened people.

Even if you don't agree with his religious views, you must agree that this situation in China should be stopped.

In life their are those that talk and those that attempt to make the world a better place. Ask yourself, which one am I.

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NateTheMagi

17 years ago

Funny how the flames in this thread have not even mentioned the substance of the original post. I'll bet they'd be up in arms if it was any other religios group being afflicted.

Nevermind responding to the actual issues presented, a reminder of enslaved people, lets tout a bunch of hatefull remarks, cuz that'll show those Christians...

It really goes to demonstrate your level of tolerance when you care more to flame than to honor the memory of those who live in such inhumane circumstances.

Cheers TimBrown, your patriotism is much appreciated :-)

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JoeyJoeJoJr

17 years ago

And to all those who are just going to flame this guy... 15 He (Jesus) said to them (the disciples), "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. Mark 16:15-16

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timbrown527

17 years ago

*from the Gospel of John, chapter 3, verse 18 "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son."*

People don't understand that they are already under God's judgement...and that God stands ready in His mercy to save them. Kind of like a person who is drowning...If you trust the guy in the boat when he reaches out to you, you can be rescued. If not, your decision has already doomed you...and of course there is no guarantee that your next breath will be yours. It's by God's sheer mercy that he doesn't just blow us all away out of His holy, pure justice...and it's His grace that offers us salvation through Christ.

He didn't have to do that...but He did!

Tim

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tihkal

17 years ago

16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. Mark 16:15-16
Oooooh. Funny how a religion that supposedly prides itself on tolerance has the notion that non believers will burn....

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joshuarogers4tss

17 years ago

I'm sorry. We're based on tolerance? Uh, no, I don't think so. Christianity isn't based on "You be nice, I'll be nice, let's sing songs around a tree." It's based on spreading the story of Jesus, about his holy life and about forgiveness for sins. Oh, and by the way, I like your backgrounds.

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timbrown527

17 years ago

Thanks....for the compliment and the mention of what Christianity is *not* about.

You know, in a very strange way I can imagine what it was like for Noah to build the ark all those years when no one had any idea what rain was...and ignored all the warnings. They learned -- to late -- that God's ways are not our ways...His thoughts are not our thoughts. He is the divine "other".

After a while, and I can say this in all honesty, you learn to ignore the catcalls and hecklers...and you finally get to a point where you just focus on what God is doing. And I praise God for how He has used this in my life to strengthen my faith and care less and less about the affirmation of others. Worldly affirmation is a deadly trap.

God is faithful. Thanks, and hang in there!

Tim

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Flanders

17 years ago

Ah look on the bright site. Nearly everyone will end up in hell according to these guys. It's gonna be one great BBQ party ;)

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timbrown527

17 years ago

Uh huh...

http://www.ccel.org/e/edwards/sermons/sinners.html

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NateTheMagi

17 years ago

"Funny how a religion that supposedly prides itself on tolerance has the notion that non believers will burn...."

Ehh...what does a divine pre-determined punishemnt have to do with human tolerance?

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Flanders

17 years ago

Ehh...what does a divine pre-determined punishemnt have to do with human tolerance?

You need to ask? Very sad indeed.

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NateTheMagi

17 years ago

I didn't need to ask, it was more rhetorical. You got an answer? I'd love to hear it.

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Flanders

17 years ago

You don't seem to understand the point that tihkal is making. According to Mark 16:15-16 non believers will burn. In other words: non-believers will not be tollerated by God, even if they lead honarable and good lifes. Oh and why punish those who don't believe or have different religions? Wouldn't that be the result of a design flaw by God?


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0xdeadbeef

17 years ago

Funny how people make a difference between living and dead things as the situation requires it. A pot does not live, which distinguishes it from your average human. I did take a look at that atheist test Tim Brown advertises in his signature, they made the same mistake. (In that case, asking for the evolution of the coke can. Until then, I fell for the illusion that coke cans do neither reproduce themselves, nor mutate, nor choose their sexual partners...)

Anyway, your pot metaphor strengthens my point that if a god exists, this is not a good thing.

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Flanders

17 years ago

As for your statements, they demonstrate a lack of understanding of the actual doctrines as presented in Scripture.

What scripture whould the be? There are a lot of scriptures around, and not all have to do with Christianity....

Can God be guilty of intolerance?

You tell me. From what Mark 16:15-16 tell it definitly seems to be the case. (Assuming Mark speaks on behalf of God. Mmm interesting point: how do we actually know he wasn't making things up?)

Does the pot say to the potter, "why have you made me like this?"

Don't know. I don't tend to have conversations with pots. ;)

Or does not the potter have the right to make from the same clay, one pot for honor, and another for destruction?

Never known a potter to destroy a perfectly good pot, only ones that are faulty or broken during fireing. If God is perfect there won't be any faulty pots that need destruction. Are you implying that God isn't perfect?

Who is the clay to answer back to the potter?

Clay doesn't, humans do.

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NateTheMagi

17 years ago

Uh..no..if you actually read what was said, "Funny how a religion that supposedly prides itself on tolerance...", the post was refering to human tolerance, not God's. It's a logical error of equivocation being made.

As for your statements, they demonstrate a lack of understanding of the actual doctrines as presented in Scripture. Can God be guilty of intolerance? Does the pot say to the potter, "why have you made me like this?" Or does not the potter have the right to make from the same clay, one pot for honor, and another for destruction? Who is the clay to answer back to the potter?

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pelleas

17 years ago

and leave this site alone.
enough propaganda.
quit forcing your shit beliefs on people.
it's a lie, dude.
get over it.
maybe the moral lessons of that book are good.
whooptie.
that doesnt mean you should force this crap on other people.
we dont want it.
the concensus has already been reached.
the majority at kde-look hates you.

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NateTheMagi

17 years ago

"the majority at kde-look hates you."

And in doing so, show's it's own intolerance. Not to mention fullfiling every one of these scriptures:

Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Matthew 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

Mark 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Luke 21:17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.

John 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

John 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

1 John 3:13 Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.

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timbrown527

17 years ago

From a a purely evidential standpoint, I would add that the only real "concensus" I see is that dozens of people have downloaded it...and the number FAR outstrips the small group that follows me around claiming that "no one wants it." I always get a chuckle out of that.

So much for accepting the plain evidence at the top of the page.

Again, thanks and blessings to you,

Tim

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timbrown527

17 years ago

...and i would add this from the Gospel of John, chapter 3, verse 17) For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.[7] 19This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God."

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jukkamy

17 years ago

I trust admins of KDE-Look will remove everything which is not allowed here. Maybe you should just skip the works that you don't like.

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Flanders

17 years ago

Oh..and as for the admins..i wonder why he/they still have to notice that Tim is just hijacking this site to spread "the word".
His latest comment sais it all:


If we wait till we're given "permission", we'll never be able to speak! :)
I think it was Peter who underscored this principle when he said in his epistle to preach the Word, "in season and out of season". In other words, regardless of "appropriateness" or consequences. Whether you're ready or not. Whether it's on friendly turf or not. The stakes are too high.

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Flanders

17 years ago

Skipping is not easy since the thumbnail view on the index page does not show who the creator of a wallpaper is. The only way to find out is to view it.
Having said that: this one was easy to recognise. Even from the thumbnail view the trademark gradients and low quality of Tim's work are obvious.

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NateTheMagi

17 years ago

so...uh...why'd ya click on it?

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17 years ago

Updated description.

Added second (darker and added detail to bulb glass) paper and added links to logical fallacy pages.

Added third paper with black background.

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