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Fuck the church, fuck religions, fuck god. Stop fucking children.

rowancompsciguy

10 years ago

I promised myself that I wouldn't get involved, but seeing some of the comments on this thread, I feel compelled to speak out.

Sir, evolution is NOT "just a theory" you obviously have no concept of what a theory is. Evolution is on the same playing field as gravitational THEORY and atomic THEORY. Are you suggesting that gravity and atoms do not exist?

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Cycron

10 years ago

...y'know I'm tempted to say "...says the pixelated mad guy" (your profile pic)... but that wouldn't really have anything to do with it. And, by the way, there is also a theory that says we came from rats... but you probably don't want to hear that one...

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rowancompsciguy

10 years ago

Your science book may have talked about the evolutions of species as it relates to linear time and in which case, yes, rats appeared before humans. However, this is not the same as saying humans came from rats. Evolution of species is best shown in a tree structure. Although rats came before humans, rats are on a completely different evolutionary branch than humans.

See this link for an example (I couldn't find one that plots the tree overtime, but this clearly shows primates and rodents on different evolutionary branches).

http://whozoo.org/mammals/mammalianphylo.htm

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Cycron

10 years ago

That was in my Science book. But, they said "rat-like creatures"... still I think it went along with the evolution theory, just that life came from underwater, then to fish, then slowly to rat-like creatures, then some of these rat-like creatures started living under ground, some started climbing trees, and some just stayed rat-like creatures... LIKE YOU! :D

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rowancompsciguy

10 years ago

Citation please. Please show me a peer reviewed, scientific publication that states that humans came from rats.

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japc

10 years ago

You're confusing a theory with an hypothesis. There more to a theory than babbling unfundamented conjecture.

Now, we're doing all the heavy lifting here, you're not doing your home work. Get your facts straight. Read wikipedia page on "theory", don't need to get past the first part, we don't want your brain to explode with too much information.

Just be a bit more informed, please, you're making a fool of yourself.

Btw, how old are you? If you're past primary school I begin to think that you have problems. Where did you study science?

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Bear73

10 years ago

Ah yes, we're not monkeys...
The earth is flat and nothing has changed for billions of years.
In fact Linux, has been around since God made earth.
Look out of your little cubicle and you will notice that evolution is happening every day..
Mankind is moving forward thanks to science.
It happens. And praying to God that it wont, doesn't help you.

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japc

10 years ago

Indeed. And it does not account for a species so common this days, the Troll.

Now, compare the theory of Evolution to the vapory of Creationism. Or the jokery of Creationism (earth created in 7 days, really?).

You would hardly be using the Internet with the QED theory, had mp3 without the Acoustic theory, tv without the Antenna theory, had a nice life without Germ theory.

Have you been lobotomized?

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mtax

10 years ago

ah, but you 're forgetting, god isn't even a theory, it's a story!

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Cycron

10 years ago

To say this without taking sides I would say:
There is a difference between uploading artwork that "advertises" their religion, and uploading artwork that insults another religion.

But what is your religion? Do you believe we came from monkeys?

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mtax

10 years ago

No, but I beleive in science. And science says that monkeys and us have common ancestors.


Actually, I believe in a lot of things. But I will never beleive in something that just don't exist!
Religion is only for fools and for people who don't whant to understand. For a stupid mind, it's much more easier to say "it's god" than to look for an answer.
And when they don't know, beleivers will never say "I don't know, but I want to find an answer", they will say "God moves in mysterious ways".

And you, do you believe that your imaginary friend made earth in 7 days?

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Padster

10 years ago

the days doesn't need to mean 24 of our hours, it could just be divided into seven parts.

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japc

10 years ago

Yes, it could be 1.9 billion year days (god was undecided on day duration and 16*10^12h days seemed ok at the time).

Or, this is my favorite, it could all just be a bronze age fairy tale.

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Cycron

10 years ago

do you also believe that Albert Einstein was a genius?

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mtax

10 years ago

Yes he was a freaking genius!

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Cycron

10 years ago

OK... this is long, but read it.

Let me explain the problem science has with religion.'

The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand.

'You're a Christian, aren't you, son?'

'Yes sir,' the student says.

'So you believe in God?'

'Absolutely. '

'Is God good?'

'Sure! God's good.'

'Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?'

'Yes'

'Are you good or evil?'

'The Bible says I'm evil.'

The professor grins knowingly. 'Aha! The Bible! He considers for a moment. 'Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?'

'Yes sir, I would.'

'So you're good!'

'I wouldn't say that.'

'But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you could. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't.'

The student does not answer, so the professor continues. 'He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Can you answer that one?'

The student remains silent. 'No, you can't, can you?' the professor says. He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax. 'Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?'

'Er..yes,' the student says.

'Is Satan good?'

The student doesn't hesitate on this one. 'No.'

'Then where does Satan come from?'

The student falters. 'From God'

'That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?'

'Yes, sir..'

'Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?'

'Yes'

'So who created evil?' The professor continued, 'If God created everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil.'

Again, the student has no answer. 'Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?'

The student squirms on his feet. 'Yes.'

'So who created them?'

The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question. 'Who created them?' There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized. 'Tell me,' he continues onto another student. 'Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?'

The student's voice betrays him and cracks. 'Yes, professor, I do.'

The old man stops pacing. 'Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?'

'No sir. I've never seen Him.'

'Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?'

'No, sir, I have not..'

'Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that matter?'

'No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't.'

'Yet you still believe in him?'

'Yes'

'According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?'

'Nothing,' the student replies.. 'I only have my faith.'

'Yes, faith,' the professor repeats. 'And that is the problem science has with God. There is no evidence, only faith.'

The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of His own. 'Professor, is there such thing as heat? '

Yes.

'And is there such a thing as cold?'

'Yes, son, there's cold too.'

'No sir, there isn't.'

The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain. ' You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don't have anything called 'cold'. We can hit down to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold; otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees. Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold Is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.'

Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, sounding like a hammer.

'What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?'

'Yes,' the professor replies without hesitation. 'What is night if it isn't darkness?'

'You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word. In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?'

The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This will be a good semester. 'So what point are you making, young man?'

'Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed.'

The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time. 'Flawed? Can you explain how?'

'You are working on the premise of duality,' the student explains. 'You argue that there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought.' 'It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it.' 'Now tell me, professor.. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?'

'If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do.'

'Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?'

The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed.

'Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?'

The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion has subsided. 'To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, let me give you an example of what I mean.' The student looks around the room. 'Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor's brain?' The class breaks out into laughter. 'Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain, felt the professor's brain, touched or smelt the professor's brain? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due respect, sir.' 'So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?'

Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his face unreadable. Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers. 'I Guess you'll have to take them on faith.'

'Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with life,' the student continues. 'Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?' Now uncertain, the professor responds, 'Of course, there is. We see it everyday. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil.'

To this the student replied, 'Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light.'

The professor sat down.

If you read it all the way through and had a smile on your face when you finished, mail to your friends and family with the title 'God vs. Science'

PS: the student was Albert Einstein

Albert Einstein wrote a book titled God vs. Science in 1921.

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OxayotlTheGreat

9 years ago

Einstein was vegetarian, and an advocate for vegetarianism. And I'm vegetarian. Therefore, I win. So, it means you loose. So, since I'm the winner, I decide there is no god.

I pwnd you. You don't stand a chance against your vegetarians overlords !

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japc

10 years ago

http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp

I searched for the book mentioned and nothing. Is it as illusive as your god? As bogus?

Please let's get this over with so that I may remove the brain downclocking, it's getting me dizzy.

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rowancompsciguy

10 years ago

Evolution doesn't say we "came from monkeys". Evolution says we share a common ancestor. If you're simply asking where did monkeys come from, they came from their ancestors. If you're asking where did life come from, that's not a question answered by evolution. Evolution is simply an explanation of the diversity of life.

The origin of life is covered by a topic called abiogensis. Scientists aren't currently sure how life begin on earth but they do know that it is possible for life to come from non-life as they have been able to produce the building blocks of life, amino acids, from non-life in a controlled environment.

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Cycron

10 years ago

oops... I should have caught that chain mail and checked if it was valid before posting.

But can you answer this question: You believe we came from monkeys, where did the monkeys come from?

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Bear73

10 years ago

This sounds like something from Scientology.
What a load of brainwashing bullshit.

I could use the same kind of arguments to "prove" that the moon is a giant cheese.

It is so far away, that you can't smell it.
And because you can't smell it. You don't know for certain that it doesn't smell like cheese.
And because it might smell like cheese, theres a great possibillity that, it is in fact a cheese.

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japc

10 years ago

Of course that you know that that is a bogus story. If Einstein was religious he was at most jewish, not christian.

A proven Einstein quote is 1954's "The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weakness, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still purely primitive, legends which are nevertheless pretty childish."

Get your story straight. I know it's hard after the brainwash (I rather call it lobotomy but it's reversible) but it's a fun and rewarding thing to do.

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Cycron

10 years ago

Oh, then why don't you read his book? God vs Science.

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Padster

10 years ago

total epicness.
+9001
(that's over 9000!)

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Padster

10 years ago

hmm, mtax, i said that because i completely agree with the above post, and think it is a very good argument. not because i am dumb.

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