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Fuck the church, fuck religions, fuck god. Stop fucking children.

Meepish

10 years ago

I didn't mean it as a good thing... it was just an observation that atheistic homophobes were even worse than Christian homophobes. But I didn't mean that these hypocritical Christian homophobes were good, only that they cause less harm.

As you can see, Christians can be tolerant too. It's nothing amazing, it's just a part of human nature that people are different. Just like there are close-minded Christians and atheists, there are tolerant and open-minded Christians and atheists. The only difference between Christians and atheists is that the former think that God exists, while the latter think that God doesn't exist. Since it can't be proven either way, it's a matter of personal opinion, and there are many Christians and atheists who accept that other people may have a different opinion. :)

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japc

10 years ago

Oh, sorry, I have to respond to this. Last one I promise.

If you open your mind too much your brain will fall down, didn't you know?

The "only" difference is really a huge difference. For instance if I was a solipsist the only difference between you and me was that I didn't think you existed at all. A small difference? No. And with obvious consequences.

So, the "you cannot disprove" talk? (that's a classical)
The burden of proof goes with the one making the excentric claim. So can you prove it? If you can I'll gladly change my mind (taking care not to open it too much our I may loose it).

Would you believe that Elvis lives near Procyon inside a 3 leg thong wearing turtle and he has since developed a 7th nose and is a very talented at nasalizing his love for korrmisha? Would you be able to disprove it? Would this claim be on the same level that claiming the opposite? Do you believe in Xenu?

No, it's not a matter of opinion because truth matters.

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Bear73

10 years ago

I don't go around calling theists names.
And I'm not a fanatic.

But knowing my history, I could never respect a christian.

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Meepish

10 years ago

Contradiction alert! :P

Let's see... according to wikipedia, there are more than 2 billion Christians in the world. There are all kinds of people among them. And you're saying that you don't respect every single one of them, even though you've never met and never even heard of most of these people. If that's not fanaticism, then I'm a glowing purple Smurf :D A rational person doesn't judge someone they know nothing about.

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japc

10 years ago

The point being?

There are 1.5 billion muslims in the world. And from what I know they
(christians and muslims to keep the list short) can't both be right. So right now, right here (planet earth you know) we have a huge number of people living a disturbing delusion, that is a fact. We (atheists) just say that you're all delusioned, no religion flavour is better than the other (of course if you take into account their actions there's bad and worse but the culpit is the same).

As for the 2 billion, that is pure propaganda, most people I know have been
baptised, I have been baptised. Religion is opt-out, sadly. So, 2 billion is a shiny but meaningless number, religious by definition.

And I don't need to know all 1.5 billion muslims to know they are all a lost mental case (sexually repressed, intolerant, violent, sexist). The same way I don't need to know all the christians to know they're a lost case, people believing in transubstantiation, the holy trinity, the virgin birth,
resurrection, celibacy, miracles, talking snakes, creationism, pray healing, demon possession and so on (most of this are catholic but every sect has his own flora, most noteable being mormon's magic underwear, got to love that), have not put much thought into it. They are at best mentally lazy, at worse mentally uncapable.

Jainists don't bother me.

I advise you to look on youtube for the Hitchens/Fry debate on why religion is harmfull. That is if you're really interested in being clarified, I know most religious people are not interested in that.

This has been an interesting talk but I really have other things to do so this
is final for me. Nice food for though you should be thankful.

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Bear73

10 years ago

You must understand, that this religous virus has been around for 2000 years. It has infected every part of our society.
You might know someone, who calls himself an Atheist and he might believe he is.
But much of your beliefs is based on what you are being taught as a child.

So being an Atheist, you can still build much of your beliefs on christian values.

I have never met an homophobic, so I can't judge on that.

But I live in a liberal and free country, where religion has very little power over people. So that's probably why...

We were the first country in the world to allow gay marriages and right now the politicians are debating on the problem that there are still some priests who refuse to perform gay marriages....

So you see
It does make a difference, when religion looses it's power and people start thinking for themselves.

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Meepish

10 years ago

Religion has been around for a lot more than 2000 years. And it looks like you have a very black-and-white view of the world.. which is rather ironic, because such a view is common for religious fundamentalists :P You believe that all religion is evil and atheism is the only good. That's rather... fanatical. Religions are different. Even Christianity is very diverse. There are fanatical Christians who hurt others, are homophobic, want discrimination, etc. But there are also Christians who fight against all kinds of discrimination. That's because different people are different. :) It's a simple fact, and it goes against the simplistic "religion is evil" mentality.

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thoughtfulUser

10 years ago

When people tell the truth about evil behavior, that's moral responsibility, not bad taste.
This has been going on for 16 centuries. Its about time people act with sufficient courage to speak out with all the eloquence, acrimony (if need be), and ridicule (if need be) that the practice deserves.
WELL DONE

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uggi

10 years ago

your indignation is just and acceptable...
but the way is offensive and generalizes
I hope you reconsider your idea

I ask You:
Why your indignation is only for pedophilia in the Church and not for pedophilia ?

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mtax

10 years ago

At the beggining, I made this wall while thinking about pedophilia in church. I did want to make something strong, simple, but funny (it's just a wallpaper, it won't change the world). The comment is part of it. Why? Because the pope is kind of a giant son of a bitch, his mail for the victims of pedophilia in dutch church sounds like shit. This is revolting!

Of course, every pedophiles should die in fire, not only christians priests. But here I am talking about it. Don't worry, I will attack muslims and islam much more stronger than it, very soon. :)

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OxayotlTheGreat

9 years ago

Hey, I'm waiting for this attack on Islam. When is it coming ?

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thoughtfulUser

10 years ago

In answer to your question: see the Wikipedia article on "lust". Roman Catholicism INVENTED pedophilia in the 4th C. If you doubt that, read Thomas Aquinas thoughts on marriage in Summa Theologica. Then there are many other books to confirm this. READ instead of trolling/sanitizing history like the Catholics are doing on the Wikipedia page on Roman Catholic sex abuse!!

SECONDLY: RCism is NOT "the Church". How dare you claim exclusive ownership to essentially GOD's domain. Every time I hear some Roman Catholic <expletive deleted> refer to RCism as "the Church", I want to puke.

So, yes, attacks on RC pedophilia is correct and moral and just.

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Padster

10 years ago

Don't put this kind of stuff on here. People are entitled to their beliefs, just don't put offensive stuff like this online.

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Bear73

10 years ago

Religous symbols are offensive to me and a sign of oppression.
And there's plenty of that crap online.

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Padster

10 years ago

well, you don't have to put that online, either.

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mtax

10 years ago

I don't know how to say that in English so please forgive me, I will say it in french : je vais me gêner!

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Padster

10 years ago

you're going to interfere?

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mtax

10 years ago

It means that I will upload anything I want, like everybody else does.

I say fuck god, fuck religion. It hurts? Don't read, vote bad, do what you want, I just don't give a damn fuck. But if you want me to remove this, first remove all christians or muslims wallpapers. That's it. I will never close my hole to do not hurt someone sensibility. Never.

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rowancompsciguy

10 years ago

I COMPLETELY agree with your sentiment, but I don't think this is an appropriate forum for such a message.

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Bear73

10 years ago

Here we go again..
People like Starwolf can post their religious propaganda on this site. And no-one says anything.
But the minute a free thinker posts something, it's not ok

The priests burned millions of innocent woman, in the middleages.

And they still think and act, like they did back then.

I say, burn the priests and convert the churches into something useful.

Like education.

And they can start by educating those who attend church now. They need it, the most..

Ohh, sorry, mtax

I just came in here to say your wallpaper rocks.

It made me laugh
Keep them coming

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starwolf

10 years ago

well all i am saying is the wall itself is offensive. I don't ever think child abuse is OK. I looked at his posts 90% of what this author posts are protest stuff. free speech isn't the issue here its the wallpaper. i feel its in bad taste. For the record i think out of 824 some pieces of work there one fish symbol , one cross and two cross of candles kdm/splashy. This for the record is because of the haters on this site who wold vote anything down just to vote it down. Also keeping religion in general off the site is usually a good idea. Just like this wallpaper but per the authors comments and all you haters . It would be my hope that more useful stuff would be posted

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Bear73

10 years ago

Being free-minded does not make me a hater...
mtax and I, live in Europe and our history is filled with the terror and blodshed carried out by the priests.
That they still, in this day and age can be allowed to do this kind of thing, shows just how single-minded and corrupt, the christian society is.
You say you want useful stuff on this page. You have over 800 uploads and i find none of it useful. But others might.
So who should judge, what is useful or not.
I certainly find this wall useful.
Because it made me laugh.
And we need laughter in a world full of priests and psychopaths.
And on the subject of bad voting.
I wouldn't vote something bad just because it's message doesn't fit my beliefs.
You shouldn't either. But being a christian.. You probably have.

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Meepish

10 years ago

Actually, you're not free-minded. :P

I am free-minded. I accept everyone who doesn't hurt others. Some religious people, just like some non-religious people hurt others, and they should be stopped. As for everyone else, I believe they should live freely, with their own beliefs... especially since, when it comes to religion, no one can actually be sure who is right.

On the other hand, you advocate murdering people who have different beliefs than you ("burn the priests"). That reminds me of people who fly planes into buildings just because the people in these buildings don't agree with their beliefs. I wouldn't really call that free-minded. :P

I voted down the wallpaper, not because it disagrees with my beliefs, but because it's fanatical. In the same way, I'd vote down a wallpaper that says "God hates atheists" or "Kill unbelievers in the name of Allah!". But I wouldn'd vote down a nice, friendly Christian, Buddhist, Jewish, Muslim, Discordian, etc. wallpaper that doesn't attack anyone.

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Bear73

10 years ago

First of all.
This wall is funny. That's all. It's not an attack on anyone.
And burning priests can be seen as a metaphor like, burning your bridges.
Religion is and has always been a tool of oppression. For the few to gain power and control over the masses.
And although the majority of christians and muslims are friendly people. The fact is that religion build walls between people who otherwise could have lived together in peace.
The US wouldn't have a reason to hate half of the world.
There wouldn't have been a 9/11.
And the middle east would be a peacefull place.
Religion is and has always been about hating people that are different from yourself.
Christianity was started by someone who hated the Romans and the bible was written to make the chosen ones believe that they were better than anyone else.
If you think you are better and don't believe your fellow beings to be equal to you. You end up with a world that is like...well like the one we have today.
A world full of hate and mis-trust in one another.
I don't hate people for their beliefs.
I hate what affect, their beliefs has on our society.

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Meepish

10 years ago

Well, for me "Fuck the church, fuck religions, fuck god." is an attack, but maybe people can understand that differently. :P

And religion isn't the reason why people fight, it's an excuse. If there was no religion, people would find plenty other reasons to kill each other, unfortunately. We shouldn'd fight against religion, but against fanaticism and intolerance. Religion is some people's excuse for intolerance, just like skin color is other people's excuse for intolerance. Fighting against religions is like fighting against the existence of different skin colors. It's natural that different people have different beliefs, and it's also natural that like minded people tend to stick together. That's how religions work. They are simply groups of people with some common beliefs.

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