BibleTime

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Description:

BibleTime is a Bible Study application for KDE 3.x and provides a simple to use, but still powerful user interface.
On http://www.sf.net/projects/bibletime/ we offer binary packages for Fedora, SUSE and Mandriva.
Last changelog:

13 years ago

Version 1.6.4 contains several important bugfixes, especially to the search functionality.
It also contains new translations to Chinese.

IanInAcan

15 years ago

I'm sorry, __DARWINS__ theory of relativity, did I miss something. Was that in the same book as elvis's theory of gravitation.
I'm sure this package is a very worthwhile addition to KDE, but it does not belong in the SCIENCE section. The science section should be specifically reserved for scientific applications. Postulating that a work of fiction should be interpreted as a work of fact does not make it scientific. According to that logic, I could propose the hitchikers guide to the galaxy as a scientific text with the same level of validity. The reason I don't is that THHG makes is not a scientific theory, it is static text, it cannot be changed to better describe nature based on physical evidence. If want an understanding of why this package does not belong here, you could start by reassesing your definitions of 'science' and 'theory'. Theory is not a derogatory term, evolution is a theory but so is gravitation, this does not make jumping off of a tall building any less fatal. Science is open to evidence based change and has to make testable predictions. The Bible is a RELIGIOUS text, and nothing (including ignorance) will ever change that.

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timbrown527

14 years ago

*...a work of fiction...*

If you take the time to look at what the Bible teaches about history and how archaeolgy has validated it, including the life of Christ, you might find yourself rethinking this...

*According to that logic, I could propose the hitchikers guide to the galaxy as a scientific text with the same level of validity. The reason I don't is that THHG makes is not a scientific theory, it is static text, it cannot be changed to better describe nature based on physical evidence. If want an understanding of why this package does not belong here, you could start by reassesing your definitions of 'science' and 'theory'. Theory is not a derogatory term, evolution is a theory but so is gravitation, this does not make jumping off of a tall building any less fatal. Science is open to evidence based change and has to make testable predictions. The Bible is a RELIGIOUS text, and nothing (including ignorance) will ever change that.*

Gravitation is a fact and a law, not a theory.

The bible also agrees with the laws of thermodynamics, alludes to the Earth free floating in space, hydrology, as well as geologic isostacy. It also teaches that things reproduce "...after their own kind", which is what we see going on...(microevolution or mere variation within kinds). Oh, yes, the Old Testament also speaks of the "bound" and "unbound" nature of Orion and the Plaeides. But then "...that can't be true because people didn't know these things then..."; unless of course, the Bible is a book breathed by God, who made all these things.

I think it was the apostle Paul who wrote that God made "...things that are visible from things that are not visible." That is a true statement. Well, those things...such as atoms...are now visible.

You mention "testable predictions". If I were to tell you that I was going to spend One Million bucks on a lottery that only gave me 10 to the 70th power of a chance to win, you'd rightly say I was a fool...and if I won, you would probably think it was rigged...especially if I told you ahead of time I would win.

Someone has calculated that this is like covering Texas three feet deep in silver dollars, marking one, and parachuting someone to earth to pick that marked coin up on the first try.

Well, I've just given you the odds of Jesus Christ fulfilling just TEN of the prophecies about Him (that we know were written before the fact...including those that He would have no control over such as where He was born, people gambling over His clothing while He was on the Cross, etc.) Ten to the 70th power. The Bible said it would happen, and it did. The manuscripts were found and dated. We know they predate the events. And I'm only talking about the ones related to Christ, not also the ones related to the fall of Tyre, Sodom and Gomorrah, etc. It all happened. Look through history; people go around denying that you can trust the Bible about some historic event then *wham*, some archaeologist digs up something that shows it happened as the Bible teaches.

The Bible isn't just a "religious text". It also gives us history and when it speaks of things in the scientific realm, it has been shown to be accurate.

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mikkelhoegh

15 years ago

Just as you can refuse to believe in gravitation, you can also refuse to believe that God exists or his world is fiction, but that will also catch up with you sooner or later.

BibleTime is a study-tool, made for scientific analysis of biblical texts. Whether the text itself is true or false does not change that.

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IanInAcan

15 years ago

scientific study of the bible

From 'www.bibletime.info' "It is the hope of the BibleTime team that this HowTo will provoke the readers to study the scriptures to see what they say.". The program allows you to read and interprate scriptures. In case nobody has told you, this is __not__ science. This is religion.


Just as you can refuse to believe in gravitation, you can also refuse to believe that God exists or his world is fiction,


OK, I'll refuse to believe in god and you refuse to believe in gravity. I'll avoid church and you can jump off a tall building, sound good?

Oh, and in reference to whatever it is that "will catch up with me sooner or later" is that a specific threat or does it apply to any non christians.

I'm sure this program is very worthwhile and a valuable resource for Christians, my objection is that it is not a scienctific application. It is in the wrong section.

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mikkelhoegh

15 years ago

It seems we're not going anywhere with this. I think it belongsunder scientific. If you have further complaints, please bother someone else :)

And I'm not trying to threaten you. Depending on where you grew up, you'll probably know that the punishment for denying God and living a "normal" life by the worlds terms is... Hell. Eternal.

You don't believe that? Fine. That is your loss.

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thraxas

15 years ago

There is no Gravity. The Earth Sucks

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HulkProtector1

15 years ago

Good to see this version, 1.5 was slightly buggy, but it all seems fixed now :)

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cerulean

15 years ago

Really guys. Have we nothing better to do with our time than have a go at people writing excellent KDE software that will, no doubt, be useful to many people? It's really, really sad.

ageless: I'm worried by the ridiculous, 5-year old attitude you're showing to the world. Really... grow up. Why do you care what section this application is filed under? How does it harm you, or others? Are people being tricked into downloading an application with a digital copy of the world's best selling book of all time?
When they name the application "1337 h4x0r r00t k1t" and you download it and see that it's not what you thought it was, then you can complain - and still not in your disrespectful, illegible, childish, manner.

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ageless

15 years ago

Keep your fucking jew-god and you hipocrizy-religion at your own!!! Jesus fucking mary - mary's fucking christ :(((((((((((

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thomas12777

15 years ago

... crap. of course religion is not science - no matter what anyone says - to believe != to know (ok, knowledge is illusion, but a least science honors this ;) however, this apps function is to handle the bible. now it's up to the user if he does it in a scientific or religious way. if you want to discuss (and a scientific handling of religions, "why, how, what, when, core facts, philisophic aspect" will allways end up discussing) with a fundamentalist, you have to operate on his basics. it's also a good source to unterstand how people control other ppl. by fear (e.g. the "anti terror" policy of the us and some european govs. has many religion like aspects) conclusion: tools are never good or bad, they hae no gain. you can use a hammer to kill someone or just get a nail into a wall so calm down on this and use the tool in your way ("know your enemy" ;)

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JessicaX

15 years ago

I agree with above somewhat. Now, lets deconstruct what science is, which is fundamentally something which has NOT been allied with Christianity in any stretch of the imagination.

Story short; Scientific is usually grounded in FACT. The idea that you post this tool on "Science" extremely annoys me, and other Non-Christians when such a "confirmed" attitude is put towards such a matter.

I know that no one can truly justify and completely ground in fact a religion or religious beliefs yet, so please show tact, and move this to "other software", because this kind of thing is not respectful in the least.

In reply to the person above; We don't have any real way of determining if these texts are truthful at all, just like we do not with other religious texts, but this kind of blindness and disregard for others of different religions is tactless, and offensive.

Thank you, please review, and move your software somewhere else, for the tolerance of other religions.

Thank you,
Jessica.

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poliicallycorrect

15 years ago

KDE is a good thing to create, handle and share data. NOT to make propaganda, even "scientific" renamed.

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Linuster

15 years ago

The Bible is not "propogranda." It is a compilation of writings from different authors in different places with different opinions (propoganda, on the other hand, eminates from a central authority with a set persuasive goal). Nor does it include any actual biblical text along with the software; it is simply an engine. Although I do not believe not it is the word of God, the Bible is an interesting book from both a literary and a historical perspective. Perhaps politicallycorrect is not aware of the Documentary Hypothesis, a scientific theory of how the Old Testament developed, which gives great insight into how religions form and can be studied by anyone with a good English translation. Thanks for making this great software available for free. It will be of great service for both the religious and nonreligious alike.

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PreacherDave

15 years ago

Since when was having a program which you have to separately download a bad thing? It's not like anyone is making you download and use this program. As for it being propaganda, it's a tool for studying the text of one of the largest religions world-wide as well as works of scholarship that have resulted during the 2000+ years of this faith. Now granted there are modules for it designed to enhance the faith-life of an adherent, but again, no one forces you to download and use those.

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apokryphos

15 years ago

Firstly, an absolutely great program. Thanks guys.

Religion is not a science, though both are obviously not opposed to one another per se. Religious studies, and Philosophy even, are grouped under *Arts*, in that attainingg a degree in i.e. UK (in Religious Studies) you get a BA (bachelor of Arts), not a Bachelor of Science (BSc).

Religious studies and Philosophy are, of course, far older schools (as is Mathematics) than science, which only really started getting roots from Aristotle. Anyhow, the Bible is not a work of science, it is a work of spirituality; and, Science (well, any proper scientific method relying on empiricism) didn't really exist when some of the books were being penned.

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PreacherDave

15 years ago

Then why is it that you get a Ph.d in math or biology? Ph.d stands for "Doctor of Philosophy"

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apokryphos

15 years ago

I see absolutely no relation with your question to any point I made. The answer is simple: because of convention.

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illogic-al

15 years ago

love it lots

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mykrob

15 years ago

Great app, it defintely helps with looking things up quickly. I do have a request, that a print menu be added. That would benefit a great deal for preparing lessons, etc.

Thanks again, and keep up the great work!

-myk

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joachim

15 years ago

Hi,
printing is already available. But it has been put into the right click context menu of text windows, bookmarks and the search dialog.

Regards,
Joachim

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smileaf

15 years ago

if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/kde/3.4/include -I/usr/qt/3/include -I. -I/usr/include/sword -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT -D_REENTRANT -DQT_NO_ASCII_CAST -DQT_NO_COMPAT -DQT_CLEAN_NAMESPACE -Wall -I../../ -I../../bibletime -Wnon-virtual-dtor -Wno-long-long -Wundef -ansi -D_XOPEN_SOURCE=500 -D_BSD_SOURCE -Wcast-align -Wconversion -Wchar-subscripts -Wall -W -Wpointer-arith -Wwrite-strings -O2 -Wformat-security -Wmissing-format-attribute -fno-exceptions -fno-check-new -fno-common -MT cswordbackend.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/cswordbackend.Tpo" \
-c -o cswordbackend.o `test -f 'cswordbackend.cpp' || echo './'`cswordbackend.cpp; \
then mv -f ".deps/cswordbackend.Tpo" ".deps/cswordbackend.Po"; \
else rm -f ".deps/cswordbackend.Tpo"; exit 1; \
fi
cswordbackend.cpp: In constructor `CSwordBackend::CSwordBackend()':
cswordbackend.cpp:46: error: no matching function for call to `sword::SWMgr::
SWMgr(int, int, bool, sword::EncodingFilterMgr*, bool)'
/usr/include/sword/swmgr.h:68: error: candidates are: sword::SWMgr::SWMgr(const
sword::SWMgr&)
/usr/include/sword/swmgr.h:210: error:
sword::SWMgr::SWMgr(const char*, bool, sword::SWFilterMgr*)
/usr/include/sword/swmgr.h:199: error:
sword::SWMgr::SWMgr(sword::SWFilterMgr*)
/usr/include/sword/swmgr.h:194: error:
sword::SWMgr::SWMgr(sword::SWConfig*, sword::SWConfig*, bool,
sword::SWFilterMgr*)
cswordbackend.cpp: In constructor `CSwordBackend::CSwordBackend(const QString&,
bool)':
cswordbackend.cpp:59: error: no matching function for call to `sword::SWMgr::
SWMgr(const char*, bool, sword::EncodingFilterMgr*, bool, const bool&)'
/usr/include/sword/swmgr.h:68: error: candidates are: sword::SWMgr::SWMgr(const
sword::SWMgr&)
/usr/include/sword/swmgr.h:210: error:
sword::SWMgr::SWMgr(const char*, bool, sword::SWFilterMgr*)
/usr/include/sword/swmgr.h:199: error:
sword::SWMgr::SWMgr(sword::SWFilterMgr*)
/usr/include/sword/swmgr.h:194: error:
sword::SWMgr::SWMgr(sword::SWConfig*, sword::SWConfig*, bool,
sword::SWFilterMgr*)
make[3]: *** [cswordbackend.o] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/smileaf/bibletime-1.5rc1/bibletime/backend'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/smileaf/bibletime-1.5rc1/bibletime'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/smileaf/bibletime-1.5rc1'
make: *** [all] Error 2

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joachim

15 years ago

Hi,
you need Sword 1.5.8 to compile 1.5rc1.
Make sure you removed all old Sword headers (usually /usr/include/sword) and upgrade to 1.5.8.

Joachim

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smileaf

15 years ago

hmm.. apparently 1.5.8_pre1 isn't good enough then. that's the only ebuild gentoo has. Oh well time to create a new one :D

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smileaf

15 years ago

Bahh... darn dup! sorry about that!

Got a page error and stupidly hit refresh.

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smileaf

15 years ago

if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/kde/3.4/include -I/usr/qt/3/include -I. -I/usr/include/sword -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT -D_REENTRANT -DQT_NO_ASCII_CAST -DQT_NO_COMPAT -DQT_CLEAN_NAMESPACE -Wall -I../../ -I../../bibletime -Wnon-virtual-dtor -Wno-long-long -Wundef -ansi -D_XOPEN_SOURCE=500 -D_BSD_SOURCE -Wcast-align -Wconversion -Wchar-subscripts -Wall -W -Wpointer-arith -Wwrite-strings -O2 -Wformat-security -Wmissing-format-attribute -fno-exceptions -fno-check-new -fno-common -MT cswordbackend.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/cswordbackend.Tpo" \
-c -o cswordbackend.o `test -f 'cswordbackend.cpp' || echo './'`cswordbackend.cpp; \
then mv -f ".deps/cswordbackend.Tpo" ".deps/cswordbackend.Po"; \
else rm -f ".deps/cswordbackend.Tpo"; exit 1; \
fi
cswordbackend.cpp: In constructor `CSwordBackend::CSwordBackend()':
cswordbackend.cpp:46: error: no matching function for call to `sword::SWMgr::
SWMgr(int, int, bool, sword::EncodingFilterMgr*, bool)'
/usr/include/sword/swmgr.h:68: error: candidates are: sword::SWMgr::SWMgr(const
sword::SWMgr&)
/usr/include/sword/swmgr.h:210: error:
sword::SWMgr::SWMgr(const char*, bool, sword::SWFilterMgr*)
/usr/include/sword/swmgr.h:199: error:
sword::SWMgr::SWMgr(sword::SWFilterMgr*)
/usr/include/sword/swmgr.h:194: error:
sword::SWMgr::SWMgr(sword::SWConfig*, sword::SWConfig*, bool,
sword::SWFilterMgr*)
cswordbackend.cpp: In constructor `CSwordBackend::CSwordBackend(const QString&,
bool)':
cswordbackend.cpp:59: error: no matching function for call to `sword::SWMgr::
SWMgr(const char*, bool, sword::EncodingFilterMgr*, bool, const bool&)'
/usr/include/sword/swmgr.h:68: error: candidates are: sword::SWMgr::SWMgr(const
sword::SWMgr&)
/usr/include/sword/swmgr.h:210: error:
sword::SWMgr::SWMgr(const char*, bool, sword::SWFilterMgr*)
/usr/include/sword/swmgr.h:199: error:
sword::SWMgr::SWMgr(sword::SWFilterMgr*)
/usr/include/sword/swmgr.h:194: error:
sword::SWMgr::SWMgr(sword::SWConfig*, sword::SWConfig*, bool,
sword::SWFilterMgr*)
make[3]: *** [cswordbackend.o] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/smileaf/bibletime-1.5rc1/bibletime/backend'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/smileaf/bibletime-1.5rc1/bibletime'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/smileaf/bibletime-1.5rc1'
make: *** [all] Error 2

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13 years ago

Version 1.6.4 contains several important bugfixes, especially to the search functionality.
It also contains new translations to Chinese.

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